Inside USA – The Other Hawaii – Sept 26 – Part 2
by admin on Wednesday, July 21st, 2010 | 25 Comments
This week Avi Lewis visits the people behind the native movement for self-determination in Hawaii. Well over 200 years old the movement has recently been gaining on strength. Archive footage courtesy of www.namaka.com
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@rehndawg. We don’t want to do that! We not racist!
this movement is a Great step forward…now how to get whites back to England?
@paulinotou I don’t use “pride” which is a question I’ve asked so many people a few yrs ago & no one can give me a valid definition of what that means to them since it seems nothing more than vanity. Cultural preservation & perseverance aren’t the same as pride. But we do have our Hawaiian culture not to mention the culture of Hawaii that has evolved due to the influx of immigration & its own style developed. Yes, our culture still thrives, it’s not dead, we have our lang. & genealogies.
@paulinotou But u did mention something important that the Govt(s) today aren’t what they were back a century ago & granted back then imperialism was rampant but if you remember what happened after WW2 & the creation of the UN, if HI would’ve been taken over by another country, it would’ve been let go by now. Look at the Phils., Spain & US fought for it, US occupied it but is it an American territory today? Certainly not.
@paulinotou True, we can’t say that another country wouldn’t have taken over but that’s the STockholm Syndrome & that doesn’t apply. You can’t justify US’ overthrow by the speculation of the fact that it WOULD HAVE happened, which is why I said look at the proof of what happened w/ Japan and Russia, where they haven’t taken over other countries. These so called useless islands weren’t governing territories, unlike the HK which had relationships not just w/ Japan but w/ European countries.
@mamoahina let me get something straight, although it may not seem like it i actually lived in hawaii. it is a lot like guam. the Hawaiians are a proud people. they have a unique culture which is still very present.
@mamoahina yah nice one, i guessed i messed up there. but if US didnt take hawaii whos to say that japan wasnt. they took over the most useless islands in the pacific why wouldnt they take over the resource filled hawaiian islands. but you have to realise that the government today wasnt the goverment 100 years ago. woman can vote, blacks can vote, seggregation is abolished. i mean i can understand getting on the US actions in the passed but dont link them to now cause it isnt the same.
I’m all for a independent Hawaii. HOWEVER only on one condtition: If whoever is the legitiment kingdom government, if that government is willing to provide a good healthy lifestyle for all Hawaiian citizens. Not just for the Kanaka, but for ALL citizens of Hawaii. If the kingdom government is willing to do that like it was a same tomorrow like being under the Hawaii statehood government concept, then I’m for a free Hawaii!
@mamoahina Yup and we keep explaining that to ppl but they just can’t grasp that truth can they? unreals
@Hawnguy100 Correct. At that time, Korea wasn’t in a position to take over HI or any other places. Japan had good relationships with the HK particularly during Kalakaua’s time.
@Hawnguy100 Some people refuse to accept the fact that the HK was a thriving independent state w/ relationship with other countries, hence the immigration.
The ports too don’t forget that….so that they could use it to expand further into the pacific areas so their greedy natures could go after more country’s from here. Like the Philippines for instance, Pueto Rico 2.
WE had many nations that were willing to step up and offer there friendship along with protection if ever we should have needed it and they would never have thought of taking us over. The only country that thought to take us over was America b/c they wanted all our wealth for themselves.And took drastic steps to insure they had all the control of it 2.
like were so fond of saying The Hawaiian Kingdom and Japan had excellent relations and the Japanese were even trying to broker a marriage between one of Our Princesses and their Princes so…if that had worked the Japanese would never had a attacked a land were their own family members would be Living or Heirs to the throne. And Hawaii was a Land of major wealth. Tons of wealth. Small islands yes major wealth grown from all the special kinds of foods n other crops only grown here.
Korea and russia would never have taken us over as. Korea was in no shape to take over n-e 1 as japan already had them under control, russia didn’t concentrate or care about gaining any power or control in the pacific cause they had enough problems and upheavals in their own country even to this day. Hawai’i had great relations with many nations and were allies with most of them. As for today no go either as N korea can’t even get a rocket into outer space and russia is collapsing.so..no threat.
wtf ah hell. just gets worse n worse
@paulinotou I think you got your dates confused. You mentioned Korea was at the time, under Japan. I’m referring to 1898′s seizure of the HK when Mayham & Schofield testified in front of a committee as to why the important seizure of the HK would be important. They both said how if they didn’t take advantage of it, another force would’ve based on the imperialistic concept. But at that time, Korea was NOT under Japan. The Japanese occupation didn’t happen until 1910.
@paulinotou I used that analogy b/c people always say if not USA, then Japan, or Russia or even N. Korea which they have here too. Which is why I posed the question why would they? I didn’t realize that you were one of the more intelligent ones to see past that. But it’s nothing more than justifying the USA’s wrong doings, nothing more.
@mamoahina okay tell me why the hell north korea and russia would want to take over hawaii. they werent major traders. not to mention the koreas at the time were under japan. who just so happens tried to take over the pacific in the 1930s. so the people who owned korea were in fact going to take over hawaii if it werent for the US presence in the islands.
cause the Hawaiian ppl aren’t lying here. we live with this shit everyday u guys just read about it from the false written history of the u.s. &before anyone trys to remind me about Pearl Harbor u can forget it! as the Japanese attacked the u.s. forces occupying OUR land & not Hawaii/Hawns. Also my maternal GF & grand uncle were there that day fighting the japanese for the u.s.My Gd was @ Scholfield my great uncle@ Hickam afb
there is no treaty of annexation the U.S. gotta go to court to prove it but they dont have it thats why they drag this on on. & Hawai’is history as written by sandford dole and lorrin thurston is a fucking joke even their descendants have admitted it was wrong what they did i don’t know how the hell n-e body can still try to justify the overthrow in such lame terms. this land was fuckin stolen face the facts and give it back. No one has the right to take what is not theirs that’s stealing.
@paulinotou You never really addressed my issue of how you try to validate that the US’ taking over is justified simply out of fear. Then you can’t hold the argument as to HOW the US “legally” has the Hawn isles & claim there was a treaty of annexation but you can’t produce it, yet made an excuse as to why Russia/Korea “probably” didn’t take over the islands anyway. So my question is, do you or don’t u believe that the US did wrong by not annexing the isles? b/c u seem to bounce on that issue
@paulinotou But you can’t make the assumption based on an imperialistic & Euro-American-centric idea that the HK being occupied by the US doesn’t necessarily mean “good” living for everyone there. If that were true, why is there so much poverty? Why r there drugs? Why the restrictions on cultural practices? Why the failing infrastructure? Why the cont. raising of property taxes & increase in homelessness? Why the constant influx of foreigners & depletion of natural resources?
@paulinotou Hold on, how can my “facts” don’t back up yet ur saying that the russians/koreans “probably didn’t take over island nations b/c aren’t imperialist like US” & made nothing but a conjecture? I know this isn’t abt the facts NOT disputing the truth but rather YOU insisting that you’re right. This isn’t abt an EGO trip here, we’re talking actual facts & what DOES NOT exist re: the LEGAL condition of the HK.
@mamoahina im sorry but you facts dont even back up what you are saying. the russians and koreans probaly didnt take over island nations because they arent imperialist like the US and had no interest in doing so. why dont you just be happy that you are an american and a hawaiian. who said you cant be both.